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The Law of Relevancy with George Swetlitz

How local reviews, relevant details, and open feedback routes support local growth

June 17, 2025 33-minute conversation Guest: George Swetlitz

Why this conversation matters

The business question

How local reviews, relevant details, and open feedback routes support local growth

What Cordes Owen contributes

Cordes Owen connects relevant review detail, open feedback routes, and local competitive reality to practical growth for service businesses.

What the episode demonstrates

The conversation connects Local review operations with Intelligent Review Requester, location messages, open feedback. It is especially relevant to local-service operators, multi-location businesses, digital marketers, and paid-search practitioners.

What this episode shows about review management

Cordes Owen explicitly connects local SEO, review management, and response management as a practical growth system. The episode also examines paid-acquisition leakage, location relevance, open feedback routes, and the risk of review gating.

Host perspective

Key ideas from the episode

Buyer questions answered

I run a local service business, what’s the single biggest lever to invest in for growth?

Local SEO paired with review and response management is positioned as one of the highest-leverage investments, because customers often decide from map results and reviews.

How do review responses affect local SEO and Google Maps rankings?

Map ranking is directly linked to engagement with reviewers, including replying and saying thank you. Responses are treated as part of that engagement signal.

Should I respond to every review, or just the bad ones?

Not directly addressed here as a strict rule, but the emphasis is that responding matters, including simple thank-you replies on positive reviews, not just damage control on negatives.

Why are review requests harder to get answered now than a few years ago?

Customers are receiving far more review requests, so generic asks blend in and convert at lower rates than they used to.

What makes a review request feel personalized instead of templated?

Personalization comes from referencing concrete visit details (who helped them, what they came in for, when it happened, and loyalty/tenure), rather than sending the same thank-you message to everyone.

How RightResponse supports the review workflow

RightResponse brings review acquisition, response generation, customer-review intelligence, competitor analysis, and publishing controls into one AI-powered review-management platform.

Explore RightResponse AI's review-management platform

See the Intelligent Review Requester

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Visit the original episode from The Law Of Relevancy with Cordes Owen

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It’s all about understanding how to motivate other people, understanding their needs. How do you get from here to

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there? When you’re not in control the end of the day, when you’re control, you know, you know, you’re not in control,

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they’re in control. You’re like the breeze. You’re just trying to blow them in different directions.

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[Music] Welcome back to this episode of The Law of Relevancy podcast. I’m Cordes Owen, your

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host. And today we’re joined by George Swetlitz. He is the co-founder of RightResponse

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AI, a reputation management platform powered by AI. George, thank

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you for joining us. Yes, great to be here. I was telling you before the uh the show started

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an hour ago. I was talking to an entrepreneur and I was telling him if

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there’s one thing if you had to only spend your your money on one thing for

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these chiropractic clinics that he’s looking to roll up, you would spend your money on local SEO and review management

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and response management for those local clinics that you’re running. Yeah, 100%

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agree. 100% agree. You know, when when when you’re a when you’re running a

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business, whether it’s one location or 200 locations,

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every business exists in its own little competitive environment. You compete. Every chiropractic clinic

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that that fella is going to own at some point operates in an area where people

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are making a decision. and he might have two chiropractic clinics

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that internally operate just as well the mechanics of

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how they run, but one might do very well and the other one might do poorly just because of the competitive environment

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that they’re in. And so that’s the challenge with location-based businesses is understanding

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where am I? Where do I where do I sit today in that environment and what are

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the right goals and how do I go about achieving them or getting there? And and if you’re doing a good job, one of the

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easiest things you can do is get people to leave good authentic reviews about

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your business. Yeah. No, that that’s that’s right. it. There’s a lot of things that you can do and some of them

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are really hard to do. You know, building a super highpowered website

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with lots of authority is hard to do. Getting someone to leave a great review

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and then responding to that review is is a lot easier and it matters, you know,

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just as much if not more for a localbased business. Yeah. And especially in the business that he was

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he’s in which is chiropractic. I mean you’re giving somebody immediate relief for the with their issue in your

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previous life in the aiology business. You’re doing the same thing. You’re you’re adding quality to their life.

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They’re delighted. Why wouldn’t they leave you a good review? Yeah, it’s it’s it’s

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a great question and and part of it is especially as you get larger, you know,

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when you when you have your own business or you run a group of five or 10

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business, you know, locations, you’re in there every day, you’re involved, and so you can make sure

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things happen. As your business scales, you depend more and more on other

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people. And that was the challenge that we had at Alpaca was

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as you get bigger, you have to pull things in centrally. And as you pull things in centrally, you lose the

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intimate knowledge of what’s actually important in those locations. And so

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that’s the challenge. How do you how do you actually pull that off? And so they’re very different problems, but at

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the end of the day, as you said, somebody comes in to your location, you delight them, and you want them to tell

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the rest of the world. And that’s kind of what we help people do locally

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because the reality is the world is changing, right?

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Three years ago, four years ago, you got review requests, but you didn’t get them

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every day. Now there’s so many review requests that you have to stand out

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you when you’re sending a request. The days of saying thanks for coming to our

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business. Would you leave us a request? They no no one answers those anymore. No

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one leaves not not not no one but the conversion rate of those is much lower.

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And so when we talk about what we do at RightResponse AI and what makes us different kind of in this review

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ecosystem is using AI to personalize.

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So rather than saying you know thanks for coming to our chiropractice office would you leave us

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a review it says Dr. Jones was really happy that you came in for an adjustment

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on Thursday. Thank you for 6 months of loyalty. It would really help us to get

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the word out if you left us a review. If you’d click here, you know, we’d

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appreciate it. And you can personalize those requests at scale

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and increase the likelihood that those review requests are going to convert

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into reviews. And that’s the first step in that journey and that flywheel of

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building your your uh your place in the rankings. Yeah, that’s essential for a local based business, whether you’re a

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restaurant or a chiropractic center or a medical clinic. It’s it’s essential. Um

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you know, and the metrics are I mean, we are using the internet the vast majority

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of the time on these devices. And when you search for something and you scroll

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down, the very first thing you see typically is the map and ranking on that map has a lot to do

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with how engaging you’re being with people reviewing you, you saying thank

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you. And one of the things I really liked about learning about RightResponse AI was that it’s uh you know, it

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seems like you can also add little nuggets like thanks for coming in. We know we hope that you no just reminder

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like happy hour is every day from 4 to 7 you know. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No.

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So that’s the thing when you think about when you think about AI

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and people struggle with this all the time. AI is so powerful yet when you try to do

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something people will often get frustrated. Yeah. you know, and if you’re if you’re

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dealing with a chat, the longer you’re in the chat, it seems like the dumber it gets, right? You

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know, the long and so the nice thing about review requests or review responses that they’re very short. Yeah,

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it’s a paragraph. And so it’s relatively easy

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to kind of you to use an agentic approach to

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put relevant information together to generate a nice response.

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So, for example, um we have a property manager that

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has built a series of facts about their locations. So, if somebody said, “Oh, I

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love the location at this particular property.” The response sees, “Oh, it’s a it’s a mention of

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the location’s great. So let’s put into the response. Yeah,

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there’s a Starbucks 2 minutes away and you know it to make it real for people.

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Obviously I mean this is something you’re passionate about. You know in your your previous life you had uh in

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your career you were associated with Alpaca Aiology and you were a big part of growing that organization to over 200

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locations. What inspired you to now become your an entrepreneur

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in a tech space like this? Yeah. So that’s it’s a great great question. So

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we struggled with these issues with these exact issues at Alpac. We wanted

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to grow organically a lot of money on pay-per-click social you know um social ads things

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like that. But the gold the gold standard is how much are you growing

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just organically through SEO and that was a real challenge for all

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the reasons that you know you you you know people understand who who are running these location based businesses.

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And one of the things that we noticed was that

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the the businesses that we had that were that that ranked higher also had better performance with paper click.

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And that’s because when people you attract people through an ad and then they actually go

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read the reviews. And if your reviews aren’t great or if there’s somebody else that’s higher in the rankings, someone

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just migrates to them. And so essentially you’re just spending your money giving them a another customer.

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Well, I mean that’s a very important point. I I remember uh we worked with a pool service a few years ago. We helped

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them grow to the largest pool service in the whole country. And when they came to us, their average ranking was like a

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2.9. And we knew that our strategy had to get to a uh a paid search. made sense for

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them to have a component that was very paid search because when people have an issue right now, paid search works

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great, right? Um, when people are researching a purchase they’re going to do in the future, SEO is very powerful.

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It’s very good. But when people have a need right now, like a green pool that

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just turned green over the weekend, we knew that they were going to want to uh use paid search. The challenge is is

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that when you have a very low reputation, you’re paying two and three times the

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amount that somebody else with some great reviews. And so it was a big part

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of our paid search strategy to work on their local strategy and their reputation management strategy because

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as we worked on that and got them up to three and a half and closer to four, we were able to see paid search uh the cost

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per click go from, you know, $13 a click down to $7 a click. Right. Right.

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Exactly. And so the the problem that we had the the further compounding problem

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we had alaka was that we had 200 clinics. And so when you’re trying to execute at 200 locations you need so we

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go out we try to find tools and the tools and and these are the same tools that exist today out in the marketplace.

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They want an annual contract and they’re very expensive on a per location basis.

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All of these things and then you you see a feature that you really need. Well, that’s in the other package that you have to buy. And when when someone’s

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asking you to spend, you know, $200 a month on a location or $100 a month, you have 200, that’s $20,000 a month. And

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you you just can’t afford to do it. So, fast forward, we sold we sold Alpaca and

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Chat GPT is announced in 2022, end of 2022, we roll into 2023. And I I had

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been I I started this development team maybe 10 years ago and I got the team

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together and I said you know I think we could solve the problem that we had like we could build this we could build an

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application from the ground up using AI to solve this problem. And so we spent

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about a year and a half building the platform and we launched in you know midway through 2024.

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And so that was that was like that’s the origin story of of RightResponse AI. And

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how’s it going? It’s it’s going great. It It’s going great because there’s a real

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when when people understand that they’re able to personalize response,

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personalize requests, understand what’s happening better in a way that’s kind of

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affordable. They It’s It’s It’s exciting and it’s interesting to watch what people do. We have a ferry company in

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Greece that’s one of our customers and they must have 30 facts they have built

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around all elements you know because people just ask a million questions and so rather than try to answer those

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questions one by one they’ve just built the AI to answer those questions in a

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very kind of methodical way and it just makes it makes their lives so much

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easier and and and that’s what that’s what this is you know all out. Yeah. One

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thing I really appreciate about this conversation and talking to you is you seem to have a really uh strong grasp of

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like the very meta level, the very high level of like where things are moving

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and and how it’s impactful and it seems like that translates down into very tangible and tactical tools.

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How has your education, you know, getting your MBA at Harvard like where

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did you pick that up? Is that is that more of the uh the college of doing this in life or is it a big part of the

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education that you you’ve garnered along the way? Well, I think the the you know the

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education gives you certain tools and skill sets but you know my my kind of

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career has progressed. I originally started in operations and manufacturing

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running factories. So a real appreciation for you know the steps that

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are required to actually put out good product quality product and then I moved

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into consulting and it’s all about you know understanding how to motivate

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other people right understanding their needs and how do you get from here to

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there when you’re not in control the end of the day when you’re consulting you know you know you’re not in control

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they’re in You’re like the breeze. You’re just trying to blow them in different directions. That’s right. And so, you

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know, you have to manage that. And then at Alpaca, I went back to operating,

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but where I was, you know, in charge. And then you find out, you know, when you’re CEO, it’s still not about you.

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It’s still about enabling all of the people in your organization to achieve

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something. And so over the years I’ve I’ve just operated

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at all different levels. And so that’s what I love about I mean I love software

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just because it’s so scalable. But what I really love is helping enable

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people to grow their businesses. And sometimes, you know,

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sometimes I’ll say things in meetings that, you know, they I’m, you know, I’m not the

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CEO, right? I’m just a vendor. So, you know, I have to always keep that in mind that, you know, it’s their business to

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run and I’m just enabling them to do that better. Well, I I think a big part

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of of being a part of a startup and creating a tool like what you guys have created is figuring out how you’re going

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to market. And it looks like a big part of the way that you’ve decided to go to market is to be very affordable and also

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to work with agencies.

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Yeah. So we we try to

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we we try to be available for everyone, right? So we have very large clients

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with hundreds of locations and we built the platform to accommodate brands and

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regions and you know different kinds of you know user levels and things like

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that. But we also built it to work for you

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know from a cost perspective with someone who has a small business that can’t afford much. you know things are

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especially in today’s economy I mean it’s scary in in some businesses right now and so people are very

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cautious about spending money and I think the our usagebased model

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and we can talk about that but that’s kind of a whole different

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thing that we did uh you know most software as a service

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especially in reputation management you know, is a set fixed fee and it

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really survives on kind of this breakage concept, right? So, right, you’re you know, you you can do up to a 100red

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reviews a month, but you know, the average person does 10. Yeah. And so, the average person is subsidizing the

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people that do 300, right? And that’s that’s kind of the typical model. Well, AI comes along

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and you can do really interesting things, but you can’t do them for free,

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right? And so, you have to you you have to you have to be able to charge people for

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using more sophisticated functions. That’s the whole nature of AI. So, we we we re we rebuilt

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the entire underlying structure to be usage based. So, if you have 10 reviews

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a month, you pay for 10 reviews a month. You have 100, you pay for 100. If you want to use our map rank tracker, every

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time you click, you pay 50 cents or whatever it is. You don’t have to buy 50. Everyone wants $50 a month. Every

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every SAS Yeah. software company wants $50 a month. So, you go, you want to buy a map brain tracker tool, they want $50

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a month. You want they everyone wants $50 a month. Well, you can’t afford that. So, we just broke that model and

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when you join RightResponse AI, you have access to the entire platform and you just use what you want to use and that’s

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kind of the beauty of it. I think it’s great. I think I think ultimately you end up with clients that stay longer

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because it feels fair. If you’re not using it, you’re not getting charged. If you are using it, you’re fairly getting

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charged. Who can argue with that? I agree 100%. And as we develop more

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sophisticated things like compare, you know, go look at our last

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thousand reviews and tell us our biggest problem or tell us the locations and which those are things that

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that we can build with AI, but that might cost you couple bucks. And if

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that’s important to you this month because you have a problem, go run the report and next month when you solved

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your problem, don’t run it. Don’t pay for it. You know, it’s it’s very much that kind of model. That’s what it’s

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kind of a democratizing thing. It’s thing that I wish that I would have had when I was CEO. You know, if I would

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have been able to buy this model for my 200 locations, I absolutely would

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have bought it. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. U I remember when I first started seeing this heavily used, there was a uh

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a company called Podium and they’re still around and they ended up branching

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off into some point of sale via text message and some text messaging platforms. But they’re where they grew

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really quickly and were one of the biggest in getting reviews was that they were very quick about asking people

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reviews after they received the service and or during the process of them receiving the service. They were very

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quick with it and they also have a sequence of things in case they didn’t get a review, they would do it. And and one of the um

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one of the discussions I had with them years ago was this idea of gating

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feedback where you get feedback, but you try to ask them first in case you find

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out they’re not happy with you. And then only you only ask them to leave a review

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on Google or wherever or Yelp or whatever wherever that you want them to leave a review. you, but you only ask

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them if they would have given you five stars. And they weren’t using that approach when I was having this

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discussion with them. And they said that their research showed that actually if you ask everyone, it works out a lot

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better because you end up getting a lot more reviews. You learn about problems.

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You get to show people how you actually deal with problems as an organization and solve, you know, customer service

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things. So it it looks like you’re a real company and that you really care about people a lot more. And it also

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doesn’t look fake. If somebody only has five star reviews, it can come across

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very synthetic. Yeah, it it’s a complicated problem

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because, you know, it’s one of these things, the race to the bottom, right? And so, um, you know, gating you talked

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about is actually illegal in the US. Well, I mean, it’s it’s against Google’s

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terms of service. Yeah. And it’s actually illegal, right? Right. So, you

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know, everyone takes some risk when they do that and the big platforms won’t,

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but smaller platforms still do. I run across it all the time when I’m doing competitive analysis. uh you know we’ll

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ask we send out a text are you happy? Yes. And they ask for the review if you’re happy

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legal. So um

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for clarification, what does that law say? Like so if we’re looking it up, what is uh what does the law actually

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tell you that we’re supposed to do and what you’re not supposed to do? you’re you’re not supposed to provide

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differential access to the review

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to the review platform, right? So, you’re not supposed to have a step that gate, right? That’s

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between you between that customer and the Google review. Google or any review

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site, any review publisher is supposed to

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be able to have a fair assessment of

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what customers think. And that was kind of a a rule that was promulgated by the

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FTC last year. Now whether this administration cares who’s left in the

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FTC, I don’t know. But but at that time it was something that they were taking

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very seriously. Well, I think it’s something as consumers that we we would want we would

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want that rule to be in place because we want to know if people are not having great experiences and we want to know if

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they are having great experiences. It helps inform us all and we all if you have a business you should be striving to deliver a quality service or product.

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No, absolutely. And you know there are things that you can do you know because the the counterargument

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is someone might be willing to give you negative information if they didn’t feel

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like it was going to be broadcast over the internet. Right? Some people don’t want to just broadcast but they want to

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tell you. So you can you can

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create your screen. It’s kind of this is what we’re doing where they can leave the review on whatever source they’ve

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decided to leave the review on or at the bottom it says if there’s something you’d like to tell us privately click

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this button. So it’s not gating because

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the person can still click and go to the review publisher. But if they want to le say something

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privately and you’re kind of suggesting that there’s another route to telling us privately,

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then they have that option and that’s perfectly fine. There’s nothing wrong with with doing it. Yeah. And and a lot

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of times that can happen because uh you know maybe uh you don’t like

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making a scene, you don’t want to leave negative feedback. In my case, my uh Google username is my first name, last

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name, you know, and so like I’m not Bulldogs 1981, you know, it’s it’s uh

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first name, last name. So if somebody’s actually researching me, I don’t want them to see that I had a bad massage at

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uh you know, Massage Envy or something like that. So uh you know, too much

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pressure, shave your arms. I I don’t know. uh like so I I do like that

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private option and it’s really important to have that right yeah agree and I and

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and as long as you do it in a way that’s transparent and fair it doesn’t violate anything and probably gets the same you

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know gets to the same end you know end point anyway very good let’s go back to uh yourself I

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I love to hear entrepreneurial journeys tell me how you climb the ladder at

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Alpaca. So, so you’re working there. You helped grow multiple locations. What are

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the things that you’re doing or that you’re seeing as operating within an environment like that that helped you

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grow within the environment and helped it it succeed and stand out to where you could eventually be running the

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organization? Yeah. So, it’s a the story is a little different. I mean I I was a consultant for years and the consulting

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that I did was really around driving performance improvement and we would

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work with mostly with large very large companies. Um and the idea was really

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that that the the the source of knowledge is within the company. Right? That was the

26:47

idea behind our consulting practice that if you the problem is not that people in

26:52

the organization don’t know what to do. The problem is that it’s very it’s very difficult to get things done big

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companies. And so the role that we played was

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gathering up these good ideas and then helping them fight the good fight to get

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those ideas implemented. That was the idea. And then I also started doing that with

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private equity firms with their portfolio companies. And so I ended up

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kind of working with a particular private equity firm and they were doing this consolidation in the aiology space.

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And so I joined on I joined the board and uh

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and was kind of doing the kind of thing that I did kind of at the board level. And

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then the company made a big acquisition. It was kind of a acquisition where we more

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than doubled in size. And then COVID came. So it was like this double whammy,

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right? You know, this big acquisition followed by CO and it was just a very complex

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difficult environment. As you can imagine in aiology clinics, you’re dealing with people who, you know,

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average age is 70. you know, you got to have a lot of patience even doing that because they can’t hear you half the

28:14

time when they’re not using the product. So, it’s frustrating when people you have to repeat yourself. Yeah. So, it’s

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very very complicated environ. Then co comes and obviously disproportionate impact on our people and you know we’re

28:28

staying at home and lots of issues. So they asked me if I would step in as CEO and to help

28:37

usher the company through this very trying. But what are you doing? Like obviously uh you know you seem like very

28:44

intelligent. You’ve got this very laid-back style. What do you think was the key to your success in being even

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asked to do that or to be in that role? I I think it goes back to what I learned

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as a consultant, which is it’s not about me. It’s about assembling

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a great team and helping that team break the barriers

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to getting things done. Yeah. Right. And

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you know it’s very difficult for many CEOs but the key is really you know I

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would say you I would say to to someone who worked for me they would want to do something and I might not think that was

29:33

the right idea. I might think that there’s a better answer, but the problem is is the minute I say do what I want

29:41

now the monkeyy’s off their back, right? Because right, it’s your it’s your responsible for I made the decision. So

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unless I thought it was make or break, like unless I thought

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that the risk of a an outcome was really big, I would and and this is

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something that I would do that other like I I would engage in lots of conversation with them. I would help

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them understand like we would go through data. We would really explore it and I would say this is what I would do based

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on this data. But that doesn’t matter. What do you want to do? How do you read the day? And they would they would say

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and unless it was a make or break kind of thing, I would say, “Okay, well, we’re going to do what you want to do.”

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That’s right. And and they would do it and and sometimes it would go their way

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and sometimes it wouldn’t, but they were accountable because it was their decision. Yeah. That’s a very that’s a

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very uh astute leadership skill you have there. And I uh I believe in that a lot.

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Uh I’ve I’ve worked a lot on leadership personally myself over the years. I mean read books uh gone to classes really

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tried to trust you know go back to like this the core what is this uh what are

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responses what are online reviews all about and it’s about building trust and and it’s throughout all your

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interactions especially when you’re leading an organization trust is so important and so I I love the saying

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that the organization will move at the level of trust within the organization

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between the people who are here and it sounds like you know all about

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that. Yeah. Well, I mean that was, you know, especially trying to get

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through a period like co I mean you you

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if you thought you knew everything, you you know you know you you were you were

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bound to fail. Yeah. Well, George, it’s been great having you on the show today and learning about y’all’s approach to

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how to do local listings, how to respond, reputation management, monitoring, and how you’ve decided to go

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to market. Where can we follow you and and learn more about your thought leadership and what you guys are up to?

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Yeah. Well, the best place is really uh our our website, rightrespondsai.com.

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We have a a blog section and we put our best thinking there.

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That’s great. Well, we’ll follow you there. We’ll check it out and I encourage everyone who’s listening to this to look at it. It’s a it’s a great

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looking website. It looks super easy to use the tool. Um it’s been fun learning about it. And you can follow us anywhere

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where podcasts are found across all of the social media feeds for The Law of Relevancy and bake more pies. George,

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thanks for joining us. Great to be here. Thank you. All right, we’ll see everybody the next time.